Sunday, October 19, 2008

try for atczsk greatly improved at last

after many near misses from the banks of the morava & thaya for this wet tripoint at or near mid confluence
recently pinned & just found at google earth is this dramatic new photo
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12055511Dreiländer CZ-SK-AT
clearly showing a much closer near miss than ever
by a party of canoeists

highest salutes to the unknown photographer bikerbm & the unknown canoeists alike

it is even quite possible that the party or some part of it actually reached the exact tripoint
whether deliberately or fortuitously
in the process

this point lies on the austro hungarian divide of 1867 & earlier

but it appears to date only from the treaty of saint germain in 1919
when czechoslovakia formally gained from austria the march thaya triangle
a small area on the left bank of the thaya that had previously belonged to upper austria rather than moravia

the predecessor tripoint within the austro hungarian empire had also been situated on the morava
but actually a few kilometers above the thaya

a 1928 agreement between austria & czechoslovakia fixed both of the present austrian components
atcz & atsk
at the median line between the river banks
of the thaya & morava respectively

the czsk component is therefore very likely also at the median line of the upper morava
whether definitely or only presumptively

1 comment:

aletheiak said...

traces of probable evidence suggesting the present atczsk tripoint position may date only from the 1990s
when a prior lurch of the river away from an earlier tripoint position was likely corrected by agreement

from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1664

Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!

Well, in 1993 there was at least talk of shifting the boundary towards
the already shifted river, according to
http://www.cuni.cz/carolina/archive-en/Carolina-E-No-082.txt.en.iso-8859-2
(4th item), so that may well have happened since then.


Peter S.

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> conc. this Tp AtCzSk there's a mystery to
> be solved:
> 1- my touristic map of Hohenau/March,
> scale 1:10.000 indicates the proper con-
> fluence of rivers March/Morava and
> Thaya/Dyje as the actual tp. - whilst
> 2- my Austrian topomap 1:25.000 indicates
> that the tp is at the point where the old
> March riverbed meets the Thaya...!
> My topomap clearly shows the remains
> of the old March riverbed forming the
> border between Sk and Cz - at the whole
> length of the river...!
> Both maps are quite up-to-date: the touristic
> map dates 2000, while the topomap is based
> on the Slovakian 1:25k dating 1988-1993 and
> the Czech equivalent dating back 1992-94!
> I actually phoned the mayor's office in Hohenau
> where they confirmed their own touristic map,
> wondering how I could possibly doubt their new
> map... well:
> my theory: I'm quite sure that previously this
> boundary line had a purely administrative charac-
> ter between the two parts of Czechoslovakia..
> anyhow, when they divorced in '92, they must
> have reached some kind of agreement, letting
> the actual riverbed of the March/Morava forming
> the boundary line (otherwise they'd end up with
> some parts of their national territory unaccess-
> ible from the mainland ...!)
> can anyone confirm this theory...?!?
> PS: This tp will be number two on our GCEBE!!
> Regards from Denmark!
> Peter H.